Hubpages vs. Squidoo: An Experiment

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By Greekgeek

My Squidoo/Hubpages Earnings

I started over on Hubpages in summer 2011; I've been working on Squidoo since 2007. My Amazon Associates links are on Squidoo lenses, since I get 100% of ALL commissions from every sale there, whereas Hubpages claims some of them.
I started over on Hubpages in summer 2011; I've been working on Squidoo since 2007. My Amazon Associates links are on Squidoo lenses, since I get 100% of ALL commissions from every sale there, whereas Hubpages claims some of them.

Impressions vs. Interaction

Some years ago, I published a series of educational Hubs on Greek myth and culture. 10,000+ visitors later, Hubpages disabled those Hubs as "overly promotional" due to my photo credits' backlinks. I did not have time to investigate the policy change, and removing all links did not help, so I deleted the hubs and moved on.

Last spring, Hubpages got punched by the Panda Poleaxe. That drew my attention back to the site. I had predicted a major Google update in early January, when I first noticed some cryptic comments on GoogleBlog. Squidoo was untouched; Hubpages was hit hard. Having studied search engines and SEO for a few years, I wanted to know why. That meant making a study of the sites' similarities (which are many) and differences.

I made a bold prediction that Hubpages would recover within 3-4 months, just as Squidoo had recovered from its 2007 "slap." I could see that Hubpages was implementing the Energetic Policy Flail customary in such situations. Every time a site faces a major crisis of this sort, it implements new and more stringent rules, tosses out one part baby to two parts bathwater, drives away many good members while ridding itself of bad ones, and eventually, the lightning-struck tree puts forth new foliage.

Having no horses in the race, I took no collateral damage. In fact, I thought I might insert a few horses while Hubpage's stock was down.

Hubpages vs. Squidoo: Some Hemi-Gluteal Observations

But what sort of horses? I've published on all sorts of sites from VMS bulletin boards to MU-based virtual worlds. Hubpages and Squidoo are similar user-generated-content sites with a smidgen of social media, yet they still have different strengths and weaknesses. There's no point in doing the same thing on both sites. So how are Hubpaes and Squidoo different—functionally—and how might that dictate the best content to post on each site?

  • Squidoo pays for interactivity, clickouts (users clicking on links to off-Squidoo webpages), sales; Hubpages pays for impressions.

This is a fundamental and striking distinction. Thoughtful editorials, useful how-tos, entertainment, information, and creative content earn readers, but may not earn clicks. More interactive content— quizzes, polls, debates, image galleries, free resources, and of course product reviews and "best of" lists— inspires clickouts. The former suits Hubpages; the latter suits Squidoo.

  • Squidoo encourages links to related content; Hubpages is more link-shy.

Therefore, if I've got free resources or several related articles in the same niche, Squidoo's my nag. For stand-alone articles that visitors are liable to read straight through and not visit your other properties, use Hubpages.

This is also significant. I've been amassing a volume bonus on Amazon, aiming for that elusive 7% commission threshold. Hubpages assures us its new commission structure will be higher, but only here; those sales won't count for our volume bonus anywhere else. That's a disadvantage if we publish on multiple platforms. Therefore, it's better to save commission-earning content for Squidoo.

  • Hubpage's interface is cleaner and more professional-looking; Squidoo's is more casual.

Again, this suggests that opinions, educational articles, serious information and creative writing are better-suited to Hubpages.

  • Squidoo's tags, traffic stats and subheadings are better for on-page SEO and cross-linking. Hubpages' author-based subdomains may give a slight SEO bonus to that entire subdomain based on the quality of its articles.

Therefore, Squidoo is better-suited to articles and clusters of articles focused on particular keywords and niches, and better if you build backlinks via cross-linking (I do.) Hubpages is better for a disparate collection of articles that may only be related by writing quality.

  • Squidoo permits HTML. Hubpages does not.

This makes it easier to optimize presentation of products in product reviews on Squidoo, if you know what you're doing and don't abuse the CSS genie.

  • Squidoo's Amazon Spotlight module is a more effective presentation of products and attracts more sales. Other selling modules like Cafepress and eBay are also better for conversions.

Visitors respond to visual cues like larger product images, a prominent "buy" button, the gray borders around items in Squidoo's Cafepress module. It's irrational, but it's so. That being the case, I think Squidoo is a slightly more effective platform for sales. You don't have to use it for that, but that's one of its strengths.

  • Hubpages was hit by Panda. So far, Squidoo has shown few or no effects.

While Hubpages members were struggling for traffic and sales, Squidoo members were enjoying both. There have been a few scattered reports of traffic dips on Squidoo -- my visits were down to 11K a week fron 14K to 15K a week for a few weeks in October, although they came back -- but those seem to be the typical Google dance that has driven us batty for a decade, rather than Panda penalties which are specifically applied to entire domains.

  • Since September, Google has been taking longer to index some Squidoo lenses.

This may be a temporary glitch; historically, I've found Squidoo lenses are indexed by Google within an hour even with no promotion anywhere. Right now, some lenses are getting indexed fast; others are taking several weeks. This means that sales lenses created now may catch only part of the shopping season (but they always do better their second season). I'm also not sure whether my Hubpages luck— new Hubs indexed instantly— is typical, or whether this is simply Google's "new, frequently updated content" factor favoring my Hubs. In which case veteran Hubbers starting on Squidoo may see the same effect in reverse.

  • I earn 15,000 visitors a week and $700+ on Squidoo with 375 articles; on Hubpages, it's 450 visitors, $1/week with 35 Hubs.

These figures could be misleading, since I have not been active on Hubpages for long enough to master it. Also, I haven't been applying SEO techniques to most Hubs. This last point is a reminder to look at the bottom line when weighing ROI. Hundreds of dollars a week versus pennies a week is a difference one cannot ignore, if one is writing for self-support, not just for pleasure.

The Experiment

Therefore, I'm going to use Squidoo for topic-focused, keyword-relevant, interactive articles that provide resources, link to related content, and/or earn commissions. These kinds of pages demand and lend themselves to SEO.

I'm going to use Hubpages for educational, thoughtful, and creative content which attracts readers (impressions) but not clickouts. These types of pages tend to do poorly with SEO; they draw readers through social promotion, word of mouth, and establishing a reputation for interesting, useful, provocative content.

Until now, I have specialized in search engine optimization: on-page SEO in particular. I do not intend to switch to active social promotion techniques (Digg, Facebook fan pages, and so on). Rather, I hope to write compelling Hubs that appeal to readers, a passive social promotion approach that is analogous to passive on-page SEO techniques.

I believe that passive social promotion is the most challenging way to draw traffic. I wonder if I will be able to manage it.

Update March 2012

It's hard to compare the two sites, since I'm publishing different kinds of material on each site, and I've had so much more time on one than the other.

It's been about eight months since I started over on Hubpages. I've got Google analytics tracking both accounts. So, here's what I'm seeing:

My Hubpages vs. Squidoo articles compared

 
Hubpages
Squidoo
Total articles
70
396
Average weekly visits Feb 26-Mar 24
2,689
20,933
Bounce Rate
90.17%
67.72%
Return visitors
10.41%
37.20%
Average time on page
0:48
2:08
Traffic source: search traffic
37.95%
60.95%
Traffic source: referrals
48.53%
16.80%
Traffic source: direct
13.52%
22.24%
Monthly earnings
Just under $50
About $700
Avg. visits/article
38
53
Avg. earnings/article
$.67
$1.77

Observations on these stats

Obviously, I've built a bigger Squidoo reputation, but it's interesting that I'm getting more repeat visitors and longer stays on Squidoo. I wonder if my greater keyword optimization on many of those articles tends to attract search traffic more interested and engaged in the topic, so they stick around longer.

The visitor and earning counts per article are still far apart, but I suspect that I can bring both numbers up a bit on Hubpages.

Update May 24, 2012

One of the differences between Hubpages and Squidoo is that hubs can start earning from traffic immediately, whereas lenses don't start getting a cut of the ad pool until the first full month they exist. (Lenses are eligible for Amazon and other sales commissions right out of the gate.) That points out an important distinction: current, short-term trending topics will earn money on Hubpages but NOT Squidoo!

Longterm, Squidoo lenses that get lots of clickouts will probably earn more than hubs. For example, I've created several crossword puzzles and word searches lenses, where the lens features several printable puzzles I've created that are hosted on my own site and accessed via a link on the Squidoo lens. It gets a steady trickle of students and teachers clicking on the links, which pushes it to the second tier and pull in about $7-10 a month. The same amount of traffic wouldn't earn as much on Hubpages, which doesn't reward clickouts.

My best-earning hubs have been ones where I caught (or even started) buzz on a trending topic like Pinterest or the recent solar eclipse. Each of those had spikes of visitors of several thousand for a few days, earning more than all my other hubs combined for the whole month-- or even several months!

Of course, their earnings die down, but they still get a little long-term traffic too. That small trickle of long-term traffic wouldn't be enough to hold a Squidoo lens in tier 2, maybe not even in tier 3, but it can net the occasional ad impression, so that's a better candidate for a hub.

So, the best use of Hubpages (I think) is to nail current, trending topics. Of course, you have to post unique, useful material that people will actually link to and share.

This all assumes you can get hubs indexed by Google within a few hours. Linking to them from your other blogs or sharing them on Google Plus could get the ball rolling.

Comments

GoGreenTips profile image

GoGreenTips Level 5 Commenter 6 months ago

great Hub! Thanks for the thoughtful comparison. I have just writing online and really didn't understand the differences between hubpages and squidoo.

Thanks for the insight.

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Cyndi10 Level 7 Commenter 6 months ago

Greekgeek, thank you so much for some very useful comparisons. I have been wondering if I should venture to Squido and what approach to take. Now I can make a decision about the content I place there versus Hubpages.

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formosangirl Level 6 Commenter 6 months ago

Thanks for your hub. i have been trying to figure out the advantages and disadvantages for each place. I think it's cheesy that Squidoo will not pay you for a partial month, even if you draw a lot of visitors. I find that you have to learn the secret rules to the "game" and compete; otherwise, the "house" wins. Here, it's more relaxing, and everyone wins. I like the fact that here, they will randomly promote your hub, whereas you have to be around for awhile before you can ever show up on the home page. Oftentimes I have done Squidoo searches on my subject, and nothing shows up...so how can anyone find me?

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jainismus Level 5 Commenter 6 months ago

This comparative study is very useful for Hubbers. Thank you for the article

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Greekgeek Hub Author 6 months ago

Thank you, everyone!

formosangirl: That cheesy partial-month thing drives me bonkers, although longterm it doesn't matter much.

One minor correction: Squidoo can and will put newbies' content right on the homepage; it has nothing to do with how long you've been a member. (None of mine are showing these days, and I've been a member since 2007). Squidoo HQ does search for and hand-pick the lenses on the front page based on quality, and one of their criteria is a lens graphic that will look good large size, cropped to square, since that's how it's displayed on the front page. They are actively looking for quality content, so hopefully, if you have some, it'll eventually get featured.

Squidoo's internal search box is stupid and ineffective, as you said, but I don't think that's a major concern. Most people find pages on the web by Google, Bing, or following links; once they arrive on a site they will click on links they see (the "related" box), or use the Topics catalog to browse. Very few people outside of Squidoo would use Squidoo's internal search box. I could be wrong on that, but consider your own web browsing habits: when you're on a random site (not one where you publish), do you use its search box, or click on interesting links in the sidebar / footer after you've finished reading an article?.

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gabgirl12 Level 3 Commenter 6 months ago

wow. Another Hub going straight to my printer so I can read it offline. Thanks for the effort you took in making this comparison. I'll definitely follow some of the suggestions as I've been trying to figure out how to work Squidoo. Your analysis sheds light on that 'interactivity' bit but I dont know what is meant by 'clickouts'. Another difference I noticed with the squids is they tend to focus on and reward 'rank'. And if you get a 'giant squid' to like your lens you get points. It's not the same here or at least, I don't know for sure. Voted up!

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Greekgeek Hub Author 6 months ago

gabgirl: Ignore points and levels; smart Squids know that's just a game like Hubscore that doesn't matter outside Squidoo. The levels system just "unlocks" new Squidoo features to you a bit at a time so that you discover them, instead of having them all thrown at you at once. It has NO impact on payouts or traffic! The web doesn't care. Google doesn't care, any more than Google cares about a Hubber's badges.

Clickouts are one of the most important factors in Lensrank, the Squidoo equivalent of Hubscore. Lensrank IS tied to Squidoo payouts -- at least, it's how Squidoo divvies up Adsense revenue -- so clickouts matter. Wait, what are clickouts? That's when a visitor clicks on links on your page. Hubpages is worried about our being "overly promotional." Squidoo has a different approach: avoid promoting spam, but if you're providing resources or links to interesting things, you're providing something to your readers. If they see something on your lens they like enough to click it, that's one sign they've found something worthwhile on your lens.

Likes and blessings from fellow Squidoo members are a *minor* lensrank factor, not as important as clickouts, sales, and external traffic. In this way, Squidoo members help reward and encourage good content which a mere algorithm can't recognize. But lensrank boosts from likes and blessings wear off after a week or two, so a lens won't take top tier earnings if it only appeals to Squidoo members and not the web at large.

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Millionaire Tips Level 8 Commenter 6 months ago

Great hub showing the comparisons between the two sites. I hadn't head of Squidoo starting here, so I didn't do any comparison. I'm glad there are pros for both sites. For me, I think impressions would be easier to shoot for than sales - I hate to think of myself as a pushy sales person, so this is probably the best place for me.

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HikeGuy Level 4 Commenter 6 months ago

Delighted to find this today. You keep saving me time -- I like it. I found this super helpful. I was turned off by the announcement about the upcoming mandatory change to the HP Amazon account -- glad to know I can use my own on Squiddoo. Shocked that your excellent work on Greek myth and culture ran afoul of the "overly promotional" axe. Absurd. I've been limiting pics on hubs because of the warning that the links on photos count in the page's links -- I always give photographers credit and a link. Now that I know I can create photo-rich content on Squiddoo, that's another major point in their favor.

I've been wondering if I'm allowed to put a link to a relevant Squiddoo article on a hub -- based on this, I guess that could be a problem. I'm looking forward to future installments on this experiment.

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Greekgeek Hub Author 6 months ago

I think you can post a link to a relevant Squidoo article on a Hub... but very, very sparingly, and I really don't know what the cutoff is. I am very paranoid about it, because of having gotten that Scarlet Letter. I had to appeal -- twice! -- to get it taken off, and in the meantime, I couldn't so much as edit a typo on ANY Hub without it being unpublished and passed through hand-moderation again. However, I know other Hubbers have never run into this problem.

Note that Squidoo's built-in Amazon modules pay less well than Hubpages. The key is that Squidoo allows more basic HTML, which means you can build affiliate links if you know how.

Squidoo has a two-pronged approach. Either you use their built-in modules (Amazon, Cafepress), and Squidoo splits the commission 50-50 -- but Squidoo's Amazon ID is attached to the module, so the volume bonus is 8.5 giving you 4.25 -- or you can use your own Associate links (Image and Text only; Squidoo disallows iframes, unfortunately, because it's too easy to slip in malware and spyware with them).

I hedge my bets by using Squidoo's Amazon Spotlight module, which displays the realtime price, but turning OFF the picture and title served up by the Spotlight module and replacing them with my own Associate links. Other savy Squidoo members use the Amazon Associates tools on SquidUtils.com, a site created by a code geeky fellow member. Those tools create nice-looking banners, widgets, and other Associate links with the price displayed (helpful for convincing a visitor to click); in exchange, 1 in 10 clicks on the widget is credited to SquidUtils' amazon ID instead. Sort of like Hubpages 40/60 split, except it's 10/90 in your favor. :)

One more Squidoo tip: unfortunately, since clickouts are one of the stronger factors, we've discovered that "photo gallery" type lenses do a little better than they deserve to. Display clickable thumbnails linked to larger versions hosted off-site. This could work for photos, artwork, clipart, or any sort of image-heavy content where people can click to see more. (I have a hunch that Squidoo may have to cut down on this lensrank factor someday, but for now, I confess, I make the most of it.) If you have your own photos, this is one way to do well on Squidoo, IF you pay attention to basic SEO: name all your photos filenames meaningful things (bald-eagle.jpg, for example), and take advantage of the alt-tag in HTML to give it an alt-name as well so that (hopefully) your lens will get Google image search traffic.

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formosangirl Level 6 Commenter 6 months ago

Thanks for your wonderful tips. I am learning so much.

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HikeGuy Level 4 Commenter 6 months ago

Thank you so much for your generous response. Now I have a much better idea of how to work with Squiddoo. I have an Amazon Spotlight on my first lens -- I appreciate the pointers. Wonderful info about hosting the pics offsite -- I've been thinking of using some of my own photos. I appreciate your bright presence here.

anonymous 3 months ago

I'm glad I read your hub. This is what I've been searching for.

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sonykkid Level 1 Commenter 4 weeks ago

I have seen different things squidoo isnt for me but its great that people are having success I have tried going back to squidoo but it never works out for me, thanks for this

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Natashalh Level 6 Commenter 4 weeks ago

Thanks for such an in-depth, useful comparison of the two sites. Voted useful, up interesting.

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Bobski606 2 weeks ago

This was a really useful comparison. Thanks for putting in all that hard work. I know now how to organize my articles to yield the best results.

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